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Warning over fare rises and service cuts for bus users

Published date: 27 January 2012 |
Published by: Andrew Boyd


 

BUS travellers could face fare increases or reduced services due to a funding cut, a senior councillor has warned.

Wrexham Council has revealed it is set to receive a 27 per cent reduction in the local transport grant it obtains from the Welsh Government.

It is now feared there will have to be fare increases to cover the funding cut of £126,000, potentially driving people away from using the bus service.

Bus service operators are also facing a reduction in the grant funding they can access.

Cllr David Bithell, Wrexham Council’s lead member for environment and transport, said there had been no prior warning about cuts from the Welsh Government and fears they will impact on subsidised bus service users.

“The council’s subsidised bus services are an essential part of rural and community life and allow independence to many people who would otherwise be isolated and unable to remain independent in their own homes,” he said.

“It allows people to get to work or education and to access health and medical facilities.

“Bus usage helps keep down our carbon footprint and it will be extremely difficult to promote the benefits of bus transport when increased fares make them very
unattractive.

“Wrexham bus station currently sees four million passengers a year who could all see either a rise in fares or a cut to the service they use.”

Currently the council receives £462,733 through the grant and the reduction means this figure will slump to £336,533, a total reduction of £126,000 in the amount available for the next year.

Cllr Bithell said he has written to Welsh Government Transport Minister Carl Sargeant and several Assembly Members outlining his concerns about the grant cuts.

“The cuts announced also coincides with a similar reduction in the amount of grant given to bus service operators that has been available for almost 50 years which will also impact massively on commercial services,” he added.

“Ultimately, it is the user who will again be asked to pay more for the service and I am arranging to meet with local bus companies to find out the implications the cuts will mean for them.

“All councils are looking at ways of reducing their budgets and are making adjustments for reduced grants from the Welsh Government.

“This reduction, however, feels like we are having the rug pulled from under our feet and I will be strongly encouraging the Minister to reconsider his decision and to talk to us about the implications the speed of the reduction will have on people not only in Wrexham but throughout Wales.”

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  1. Posted by: a cahill at 10:53 on 27 January 2012 Report

    With the rise in fuel costs and cars becoming almost unaffodable to run...you would think that public transport would be of prime importance...not cutting it back...

  2. Posted by: edyjo at 19:16 on 27 January 2012 Report

    Lets hope they have done the same to all those in South wales too,

  3. Posted by: liberty1 at 21:38 on 27 January 2012 Report

    Transport should not be for profit it should be there to provide a service for the community, having said that I know a great many people, enjoying lucrative early retirements, who use bus passes to go on booze sessions in Wxm,Mold and Chester who could very easily afford 50p/£1 per trip.

  4. Posted by: InMyOpinion at 12:54 on 28 January 2012 Report

    You know liberty1 is anti everything unless hes getting it in his pension pot... the businessman who would deny others the right to earn a living " Transport should not be for profit "and denying pensioners of there bus passes... a true socialist ...gives the impression hes a nice bloke.. in reality hes just another one of lifes conmen.

  5. Posted by: a cahill at 17:15 on 28 January 2012 Report

    No they don't...you have to be at least 65yrs of age to get a pensioners buss pass

  6. Posted by: liberty1 at 19:57 on 28 January 2012 Report

    Free bus travel is available from age 60, usual whingers and moaners who have never done anything but take take take are the most reactionary and why should people who are living off the fat of the land not pay their way? when I get to 60 and get my free travel pass I would gladly pay a reduced fare.

  7. Posted by: InMyOpinion at 01:20 on 29 January 2012 Report

    liberty1 is right with bus passes, its from 60 onward... I also know people who took early retirement, they did not get a free bus pass, they have to pay there way as you put it, they had to wait till they were over 60 before getting it, and none of them can really afford to go on booze outings.... I do not know of any other group apart from the disabled who get consesions.

  8. Posted by: liberty1 at 11:30 on 29 January 2012 Report

    To keep things simple as poss lets take the male retirement age as 65, get a bus pass at 60 and take lucrative early retirement = 5yrs free travel for people who can well afford to pay their fare. 2nd scenario, in well paid employment get bus pass at 60, free travel to work/shopping/days/nights out, why when they are in well paid jobs?.

  9. Posted by: liberty1 at 11:35 on 29 January 2012 Report

    Before people come on here being cocky, I said the 65 age is an example, I am fully aware of the changes to ret ages. Also dont students/school children get concessions?

  10. Posted by: InMyOpinion at 14:50 on 29 January 2012 Report

    I had left out children and students as they dont pay tax... are there really that many pensioners on early retirement who had high paid jobs who use the free bus pass to get around?... I would not have thought so.... although there are bound to be some... I dont agree with the profit free services though... especially with the price of running a fleet of buses...paying wages, insurance, etc... even for a small company its not so easy to show a profit with continuously rising fuel costs.

  11. Posted by: rupert at 16:52 on 29 January 2012 Report

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  12. Posted by: middleman at 17:05 on 29 January 2012 Report

    lots of students work and pay tax, when you get the bus its full of freeloaders who have no manners and smell of beer.

  13. Posted by: a cahill at 17:07 on 29 January 2012 Report

    School kids only get free travel to pace of education....and then its depends on criteria such as Special Needs...distance they have to travel...and in the case of High School students their p[revious Primary School attended...eg...if a kid attended Gwenfro CP yes or if they attended St Giles no

  14. Posted by: a cahill at 18:24 on 29 January 2012 Report

    I'm aware of the typo errors without having to be told by anyone has attained such a high degree of education.... do I detect a seismic change in the socialist policy of envy yet greed to the ripping up of all promises made to the Welsh electorate during the last Assembly and General elections....after all they are inpower in Cardiff and doing the cutting

  15. Posted by: SSHELLEYS at 21:23 on 29 January 2012 Report

    two years ago, wife and I out of work. Took up part time rounds cleaning mornings and evenings. Built up a full time round. Take off the morning and evening subsidised buses and we will have no means to getting to work. Approx 14K p.a. lost and to become burden on the tax payer. Little wonder young people have no incentive.

  16. Posted by: middleman at 22:37 on 29 January 2012 Report

    a cahill and inmyopinion r more interested in makin politics this is about buses idiots

  17. Posted by: InMyOpinion at 22:50 on 29 January 2012 Report

    middleman: Ahh its ok for liberty1 to say transport should not be for profit ( thats his political view ) life is full of politics, get used to it... subsidies are paid by government via councils... ours comes from Cardiff. and the story itself is political.

  18. Posted by: middleman at 23:10 on 29 January 2012 Report

    its about buses its only u who r talking politics, grow up and smell the coffee

  19. Posted by: InMyOpinion at 23:51 on 29 January 2012 Report

    Oh dear... never mind... learn to read is my advice. goodnight.

  20. Posted by: KenHolmes at 06:13 on 30 January 2012 Report

    I use the busses to get to work 6 days a week £126,000 does not seem a lot of money these days, bus companies are suffering with diesel costs are damaging them in a big way I would also have thought the WAG would show more support in local transport instead of killing it off and contrary to your belief middleman this is a very political subject that will have serious consequences

  21. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 09:23 on 30 January 2012 Report

    Libby makes and interesting point about possible means-testing for bus passes, but would the cost of implementation outweigh possible savings. I'd also be interested to know whether the cuts were applied fairly by the SWAG or did South Wales come out better, as normal.

  22. Posted by: liberty1 at 09:59 on 30 January 2012 Report

    When I made my 1st comment the point I wanted to put over is that transport should be for the benefit of the community, such as SSHELLEYS/KenHolmes who rely on public transport to get to their employment. The times that they use the bus are outside the normal 9-5 but they are still a vital lifeline for these and other workers.

  23. Posted by: liberty1 at 10:08 on 30 January 2012 Report

    Once again we have the usual people bringing party politics into play. The UK already lags behind the rest of the world when it comes to intergrated public transport which is needed to enhance a countrys economy and tourist trade. If people are not interested in the story then do not comment if all you want to do is introduce hidden agendes. No doubt we will have more hijacking of stories as the local elections draw closer.

  24. Posted by: liberty1 at 10:15 on 30 January 2012 Report

    RC, I dont want to go to deeply into the finances involved because I will be accused by some of being political. Maybe a 25p fare for all over 60s may be the way forward, this would then help subsidies the early mornig/late night buses to the likes of the Industrial/ office estates.

  25. Posted by: a cahill at 10:43 on 30 January 2012 Report

    Excuses...being used to validate an outright lie and a rant on people who take early retirement...showing the envious trait that destroys any credibilty....of a comment ....I suppose we should all believe that decisions made by politicians are not political and not based on party policy...its a cut ordered by the Welsh Govt therefore responsibilty lies with them for any detrimental affect it has on Communites in Wales

  26. Posted by: liberty1 at 11:13 on 30 January 2012 Report

    Conhill, your posts are once more becoming irate , how long before you once more refer to me as a "Welsh joke", as you did at 20:49, 16/1, under the story regarding Flint Hospital published on 11/1/12, a comment I myself feel has a racist element to it.

  27. Posted by: liberty1 at 11:19 on 30 January 2012 Report

    PS, you know so much about this topic that your comment 17:15, 28/1 states that you have to be 65 to get a bus pass, if you cant get the simple things right dont bother, stick to the disgusting name calling.

  28. Posted by: KenHolmes at 14:37 on 30 January 2012 Report

    I use the bus as much as I can, not just outside normal hours 9-5 because I or my wife can not drive I just spoke with my sister who lives in abadare, they are having cuts to there service as well but only by24% how come they get a better deal in south wales than we do? rolandcleth has a good point. who set out the amount to be cut by each council? why is there a diference in cutbacks between areas? or was it forced by londons government? more tory cutbacks for us in wales.

  29. Posted by: KenHolmes at 14:49 on 30 January 2012 Report

    I did a search and found this http://www.wlga.gov.uk/english/media-centre/welsh-local-authorities-disappointed-by-cuts-to-transport-grants/ looks like the tory cuts are hurting everyone.

  30. Posted by: liberty1 at 15:54 on 30 January 2012 Report

    KH, I to use the bus when I can often to Chester station, I drive but am lucky that at times,like today, I can work from home. It seems the cutbacks are UK wide but this is something we should all be fighting against as it affects us all. It is not a subject for political point scoring as some people would like.

  31. Posted by: KenHolmes at 16:56 on 30 January 2012 Report

    yes we should all be fighting it, why is the cutback 25% here and 20% over the border ? Its time the madness of cutbacks was stopped if the tories get there way we in wales will be left with nothing and what has the senedd said about it to parliament ? nothing again soon all our services will disappear you will see.

  32. Posted by: liberty1 at 22:48 on 30 January 2012 Report

    KH, what you say is very true, Wales does seem to be carrying the burden of the Tory Gov cut backs, strange how we have people who have come from outside the country waving the Tory flag when the cut backs will affect them as well.

  33. Posted by: KenHolmes at 06:25 on 31 January 2012 Report

    yes and its strange how the tories keep there heads down when the going gets rough as well. now its the busses, what next ? have to wait and see, but it wont be long before it gets worse.

  34. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 11:58 on 31 January 2012 Report

    libby, you did say you didn't want to get into political points scoring. In light of the last couple of posts I would remind people that the 20% cuts are in England where the Tories are in government and the 25% cuts are in Wales where Labour are in government. I'd just like to know that the SWAG are treating us up here equally with those in the Valleys.

  35. Posted by: KenHolmes at 15:49 on 31 January 2012 Report

    Roland Cleth, good point, this from the website link, England have been given 18 months to prepare for a 20% reduction starting in April, in contrast, Welsh councils will suffer a 25% cut with just 3 months warning.” Why the difference in the time limit? and Why 5% more than England? me smells a 'rat amongst the corn' as they say

  36. Posted by: liberty1 at 19:31 on 31 January 2012 Report

    RC, Yes I put my hands up to that one but all roads lead to Whitehall. As for us here up north we will always be the poor relations or the noisy neighbours.

  37. Posted by: KenHolmes at 20:20 on 31 January 2012 Report

    Just found another link which explains some of the cost differences, a better report than this one in my view. http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2012/01/27/welsh-government-blasted-for-25-transport-subsidy-cuts-which-could-savage-north-wales-bus-services-55578-30207937/

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